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Ben Strege  
#1 Posted : Friday, January 1, 2016 6:26:06 PM(UTC)
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I have been asked a few times in the last couple of weeks how to get new areas on the website. Some areas are easier to get data than others, and the larger areas are harder to create the route finder, so the time required to add an area varies. However, I'm always open to suggestions. If I can get the data, I can add it. These are the areas that have been suggested to me so far:

  • Temagami (Ontario)
  • Killarney (Ontario)
  • Isle Royale (Michigan)
  • Apostle Islands (Wisconsin)
  • St Regis Canoe Area & Adirondacks (New York)
  • Northern Forest Canoe Trail (Maine to New York)
  • Mississippi River (Minnesota to Louisiana) - this would be quite a project
  • Minnesota Water Trails

These are areas that I've researched but haven't been suggested yet. Is there anyone that would like to see these added?


  • Allagash Wilderness Waterway (Maine)
  • Wabakimi (Ontario) - might be hard to get data for this area, though
  • Kenai Wildlife Refuge (Alaska)
  • La Verendrye (Quebec)

Anybody want to vote for the next one or add another area to the list?

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MagicPaddler  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 2, 2016 6:25:08 AM(UTC)
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I have considered going to Apostle Islands but did not because of lack of information. I would need place to park car, how to get permits, and maps with camp sites.
BillConner  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:59:46 AM(UTC)
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I'm intrigued by the NFCT but suspect I'm in a minority on that. Interesting opportunity. Thanks!

PS: I had to check on La Verendrye Quebec before I asked if LA Verendrye PP in Ontario was a possibility. Seemed like a natural extension to the Q. Of course some of the crown land around the Q would be nice to know about, even if route finder doesn't work there.

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Ben Strege  
#4 Posted : Monday, January 4, 2016 10:39:10 PM(UTC)
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I added the Apostle Islands today. It was another pretty simple one. Someday I'll add area guides that will answer the questions that you have, MP. For now, the best I can do is direct you to the Apostle Islands NPS page.

MagicPaddler  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 5, 2016 7:01:25 AM(UTC)
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AmateurHour  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 5, 2016 11:05:15 AM(UTC)
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Apostles are great, have wanted to paddle them for some time. Would also love to see Isle Royale and some of the MN waterways.

I'm in Wisconsin, so I'll toss in new suggestions for the Wisconsin river and for the Northern Highland American Legion State Forest canoe routes. The NHAL map/brochure can be found at http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/StateForests/nhal/documents/NHALCanoeRoute.pdf.

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eagle98mn  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:13:45 AM(UTC)
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I'm late to this thread, but I would cast a vote for St. Croix/Namekagon Rivers. I am very familiar with the lower St. Croix between Taylors Falls and Prescott since I am from the Twin Cities, but the upper St. Croix is a mystery to me that I would love to explore. Getting this map on Paddle Planner would make planning a potential trip that much easier. Maybe these rivers fall under "MN Water Trails" from your original post. In that case, I vote for them. Actually, I would vote for all of them anyway, with priority given to the St. Croix since it is a National Park that seems to cater to paddling. :)

AmateurHour  
#8 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:26:39 AM(UTC)
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Here's one more for the pile: The Turtle-Flambeau Scenic Waters Area. I randomly stumbled across this blog, and the T-F looks awesome. It's just west of where I usually go, but somehow I've never visited. I fully intend to check it out this summer. There are more details and maps from the state here: http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Lands/TurtleFlambeau/camping.html.

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Chris Hoepker  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 9:49:39 AM(UTC)
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I've had my eye on Wabakimi for years and would like to see it added. Granted, it's a big park and the data involved is pretty immense and I have a feeling that the last thing the area outfitters want is for an independent source of information to become available. (Memories of the Woodland Caribou situation come to mind.)

Ben Strege  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 12:30:03 PM(UTC)
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I've had my eye on Wabakimi for years and would like to see it added.

The biggest problem with Wabakimi is lack of portage information. The info that I can get from the Ontario government is just downright bad - at least the last time I looked, maybe I should look again. I know Friends of Wabakimi have good portage info, but I don't know if they would be willing to share.

Ben Strege  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2016 12:31:45 PM(UTC)
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I would cast a vote for St. Croix/Namekagon Rivers. I am very familiar with the lower St. Croix between Taylors Falls and Prescott since I am from the Twin Cities, but the upper St. Croix is a mystery to me that I would love to explore.

At the Outdoor Adventure Expo, I got this request a lot. So I think this will be the next one to add. It shouldn't be too hard since it is just a river and the info is readily available.

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Hammond  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2016 11:00:14 AM(UTC)
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from your list, I'd say Killarney is a definite need - that place is beautiful. In addition to your list, Craig Lake State Park in the west/central region of Michigan's Upper Peninsula is fantastic. It's not huge, 3 lakes 1 river, a couple portages, but a great place worth going to. here's a link to my photo album from 2014 http://www.paddleplanner...bumphotos.aspx?album=233
jvermast  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:22:58 AM(UTC)
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Queen Elizabeth Highlands might work
Ben Strege  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:44:19 PM(UTC)
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Queen Elizabeth Highlands might work

I'll have to look into it. I've never heard of it. Of course, before adding all of these areas, I'll need to finish up the new website design 

eagle98mn  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:30:43 PM(UTC)
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Hey Ben, sorry for resurrecting an old thread. I'm just curious if you are still working on adding additional areas or if that isn't really the focus anymore? I'm still interested in the MN waterways like the St. Croix, but I also was wondering about the other Superior National Forest canoe routes like Timber Frear on this page: https://www.fs.usda.gov/...recid=36905&actid=79

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Ben Strege  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:56:54 AM(UTC)
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I still want to do all of those areas. My focus was on redesigning the entire site. I started redesigning a couple of years ago, and then I moved. The move, new job, and everything else kind of got in the way...

I hope to be able to finish the redesign this summer and then go back to adding all of the stuff I want to add (new areas, finishing the mobile app, other features).

As for these areas specifically, I also still want to add St. Croix and the other MN waterways. I had started working on them, but it became much more complicated than I originally thought. I'll see if I can at least get St. Croix in since that has been requested several times.

As for Timber-Frear, I thought I had it in. After looking, though, I realized I only had the campsites and not the portages on the map. Adding the portages shouldn't be too hard - I'll let you know when I get that done.

eagle98mn  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, April 11, 2018 11:50:57 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Ben. Not trying to pressure you - just was curious since so much time had elapsed.

As for the superior national forest routes, now that I am looking for them, I see you do have some of them on there like the Circle Route near Ely but are missing some of the others. Here is the other link I am looking at https://www.fs.usda.gov/...ENTS/stelprdb5302434.pdf

I always noticed the campsites and portages outside the BWCA on Paddle Planner, but didn't really know what they were since I've only been canoe tripping for 5 years. Now, I'm starting to understand that many of them are part of smaller canoe routes that may be exactly what I want to check out in the future under the right circumstances. Even though they are much smaller, would it make sense to break these routes out on the "interactive maps" page like you do with some of the other canoe areas? Complete with entry points? So for Timber-Frear for example, for planning purposes, it would be nice to be able to "discover" the Timber Frear route exists on the maps page, and then once clicking on it see on Paddle Planner which lakes offer entry to the area in addition to the corresponding campsites and portages. This is just an idea to add to you're already lengthy to-do list! :)

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BillConner  
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:47:31 PM(UTC)
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eagle98, I get a "pages not found" error on the fs.usda.... link
eagle98mn  
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:33:27 PM(UTC)
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eagle98, I get a "pages not found" error on the fs.usda.... link

Oops! I guess it added the period at the end of my sentence to the link. I just deleted the period and that fixed the link - my grammar teachers would be horrified! :)

Gavia  
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 4:27:48 PM(UTC)
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I've been to the Turtle-Flambeau Flowage several times.  It's basically just a big lake, so there really aren't any significant route options.  The maps and charts available on the DNR's website are enough.  If you plug the GPS coordinates into GoogleEarth you can navigate using a smartphone.  I see no need to create a resource for it on this site.

 

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Here's one more for the pile: The Turtle-Flambeau Scenic Waters Area. I randomly stumbled across this blog, and the T-F looks awesome. It's just west of where I usually go, but somehow I've never visited. I fully intend to check it out this summer. There are more details and maps from the state here: http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Lands/TurtleFlambeau/camping.html.

Gavia  
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 4:30:07 PM(UTC)
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I'll second this suggestion for mapping the NHAL canoe routes.  DNR's maps are of limited value.  I'd really like to see trip reports, which would help me make decisions about route planning.

Thanks for the suggestion, AH!

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Apostles are great, have wanted to paddle them for some time. Would also love to see Isle Royale and some of the MN waterways.

I'm in Wisconsin, so I'll toss in new suggestions for the Wisconsin river and for the Northern Highland American Legion State Forest canoe routes. The NHAL map/brochure can be found at http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/StateForests/nhal/documents/NHALCanoeRoute.pdf.

Gavia  
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 4:35:06 PM(UTC)
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With regard to the Minnesota water trails: the state has an incredible collection of water trail maps for many of the rivers in MN. I got all of them several years ago and the stack is about 9 inches high. They have all the information one could need to plan a multi-day trip just about anywhere. (I got the maps because I was starting work on a water trails website for Wisconsin and I was looking for examples. If that project had ever been launched, I would have used Minnesota's approach as a guide.)
AmateurHour  
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 9:37:33 PM(UTC)
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Depends on what one uses the site for, I suppose. My primary use is sharing/viewing photos and site info. I spend a good chunk of time scrolling through the maps to see what others have said or uploaded, and PP is also my primary storage for trip photos. I feel a lot better about Ben monetizing my stuff than a few CEOs I could name. :)

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I've been to the Turtle-Flambeau Flowage several times.  It's basically just a big lake, so there really aren't any significant route options.  The maps and charts available on the DNR's website are enough.  If you plug the GPS coordinates into GoogleEarth you can navigate using a smartphone.  I see no need to create a resource for it on this site.

 

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Here's one more for the pile: The Turtle-Flambeau Scenic Waters Area. I randomly stumbled across this blog, and the T-F looks awesome. It's just west of where I usually go, but somehow I've never visited. I fully intend to check it out this summer. There are more details and maps from the state here: http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Lands/TurtleFlambeau/camping.html.

Gavia  
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:19:50 PM(UTC)
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Well, I certainly can't argue your last point. :-)

I also agree that PP is a great place to share trip reports, etc. My comment was to suggest that there isn't a need for Ben to put a lot of time into mapping the T-F Flowage.

However, if one Flowage, then all four of them, including the Chippewa, the Willow, and the Rainbow.
Ben Strege  
#25 Posted : Saturday, May 5, 2018 6:47:57 AM(UTC)
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Well, I certainly can't argue your last point. :-)

I also agree that PP is a great place to share trip reports, etc. My comment was to suggest that there isn't a need for Ben to put a lot of time into mapping the T-F Flowage.

However, if one Flowage, then all four of them, including the Chippewa, the Willow, and the Rainbow.

I've been planning on adding the T-F and Chippewa flowages because there are already so many photos on Paddle Planner for them (thanks AH!). I wasn't aware of the other two flowages, so I'll be sure to add those, too, when I get to them. I hope to actually get some stuff done when the semester ends in a few weeks.

Guest  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:43:56 PM(UTC)
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I have been asked a few times in the last couple of weeks how to get new areas on the website. Some areas are easier to get data than others, and the larger areas are harder to create the route finder, so the time required to add an area varies. However, I'm always open to suggestions. If I can get the data, I can add it. These are the areas that have been suggested to me so far:

  • Temagami (Ontario)
  • Killarney (Ontario)
  • Isle Royale (Michigan)
  • Apostle Islands (Wisconsin)
  • St Regis Canoe Area & Adirondacks (New York)
  • Northern Forest Canoe Trail (Maine to New York)
  • Mississippi River (Minnesota to Louisiana) - this would be quite a project
  • Minnesota Water Trails

These are areas that I've researched but haven't been suggested yet. Is there anyone that would like to see these added?


  • Allagash Wilderness Waterway (Maine)
  • Wabakimi (Ontario) - might be hard to get data for this area, though
  • Kenai Wildlife Refuge (Alaska)
  • La Verendrye (Quebec)

Anybody want to vote for the next one or add another area to the list?

I would suggest that in your menu that you add the borders of La Verandrye Provincial Park in Ontario - east of Quetico - north of BWCAW

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